under the heading of "can it be delayed until 1914?
" in zion's watch tower of july 15, 1894, russell advised his readers that the trouble they were experiencing was taking place exactly as he had anticipated 17 years earlier.. russell's readers were concerned that, given the troubles they were experiencing, matters could not hold out until 1914.. he comforted them with the information that 1914 was not the date for the beginning of the time of trouble, but for its end.. the full text and a scan of that page from the watch tower is available at:.
http://www.jwstudies.com/watchtower_1894_07_15_page_226.pdf .
Dear Old Hippie,
Not a problem, my friend.
My eye was firmly fixed on any lurkers who might have misconstrued our repartee.
It is my practise to make the most of every opportunity to pass messages on to them, and you provided me with a great opportunity.
Thank you for enabling our joint message to be put to them.
(Ancient) Doug
under the heading of "can it be delayed until 1914?
" in zion's watch tower of july 15, 1894, russell advised his readers that the trouble they were experiencing was taking place exactly as he had anticipated 17 years earlier.. russell's readers were concerned that, given the troubles they were experiencing, matters could not hold out until 1914.. he comforted them with the information that 1914 was not the date for the beginning of the time of trouble, but for its end.. the full text and a scan of that page from the watch tower is available at:.
http://www.jwstudies.com/watchtower_1894_07_15_page_226.pdf .
I am a liar because I provide a direct quote from Russell? I can see that you are being facetious, that you are actually calling CTR a liar.
Today's historians see a significance with the Great War. Today's WTS copies these secular sources because it suits their reinterpretation of 1914.
CTR expected 1914 would see the end of man's rule, with the outbreak of peace under the Zionists.
Have a alook at: http://www.jwstudies.com/Changed_MD_and_SS_words.pdf
Doug
i have the elders coming to my home soon and need help finding a watchtower where thay stated that the regular publishers were also prophets, i think it came out about 2007 i think but not sure..
crazyguy,
It is my view that one strong reason JWs "hang in" is they fear the impact of shunning. These elders are no different, each has the same fear - plus this is the only place they can exert authority.
The Elder operates with the knowledge that the WT hierarchy is constantly monitoring them.
For an Elder to report back that they found no problem from a dissident would put that Elder into an invidious position. Never expect balanced impartiality - the Elder's self-interest is paramount.
Doug
i have seen quotations from time to time that says the wt & awake magazines have been changed when the bound volumes come out , has anybody ever been able to list these changes ?
and make a comparison .?
to me this is quite deceptive , like speaking out of both sides of your mouth .if you pick them up on one thing then they quote something different , and have the printed page to prove it.surely they need to be nailed down on this.. smiddy.
I have listed changes between "Millennial Dawn"/"Studies in the Scriptures" at:
http://www.jwstudies.com/Changed_MD_and_SS_words.pdf
CTR used the title "Millennial Dawn" because he taught that the Millennium had already dawned (started) in the 1870s. He titled his magazine: "Zion's Watch Tower [future peace in 1914 under the Zionists] and Herald of Christ's Presence [past Parousia in 1874]".
Imagine what would happen to a JW if they started preaching CTR's message. The GB would have that JW - and CTR - booted out pronto.
Doug
pages 1766-1767 of the 2013 nwt states that the message of the bible is gods right to rule.. given that the wts declares that gods kingdom rule began in 1914, one would suspect that this would feature.
instead, there is a vague reference to something that supposedly happened about 1914.. here's the picture:.
http://www.jwstudies.com/2013_nwt__pages_1766__1767.jpg.
If the WTS was writing about "God's rule", then why did it not include its view that "God's Kingdom Rule" undertook its major change in focus in 1914?
Its picture of Satan being cast out is not "God's Rule". That picture is a story about Satan, not about the Kingdom.
CTR expected the outbreak of peace in October 1914, Rutherford was still teaching the 1874 Parousia as late as 1930.
How could "heaven's time" be synchronised with time on Earth, anyway? Does heaven have a clone solar system? Does heaven rotate in syncronism with earth's rotation about its axis?
Doug
under the heading of "can it be delayed until 1914?
" in zion's watch tower of july 15, 1894, russell advised his readers that the trouble they were experiencing was taking place exactly as he had anticipated 17 years earlier.. russell's readers were concerned that, given the troubles they were experiencing, matters could not hold out until 1914.. he comforted them with the information that 1914 was not the date for the beginning of the time of trouble, but for its end.. the full text and a scan of that page from the watch tower is available at:.
http://www.jwstudies.com/watchtower_1894_07_15_page_226.pdf .
Under the heading of "Can it be delayed until 1914?" in Zion's Watch Tower of July 15, 1894, Russell advised his readers that the trouble they were experiencing was taking place exactly as he had anticipated 17 years earlier.
Russell's readers were concerned that, given the troubles they were experiencing, matters could not hold out until 1914.
He comforted them with the information that 1914 was not the date for the beginning of the time of trouble, but for its end.
The full text and a scan of that page from the Watch Tower is available at:
http://www.jwstudies.com/Watchtower_1894_07_15_page_226.pdf
Doug
the watchtower magazine of january 1, 1989 writes of paul laying a foundation that would be completed in our 20th century.
the bound version of that magazine, however, amended the words to completed in our day.. http://www.jwstudies.com/when_the__20th_century__became__our_day_.jpg .
doug.
The Watchtower magazine of January 1, 1989 writes of Paul laying a foundation “that would be completed in our 20th century”. The bound version of that magazine, however, amended the words to “completed in our day”.
http://www.jwstudies.com/When_the__20th_century__became__our_day_.jpg
Doug
pages 1766-1767 of the 2013 nwt states that the message of the bible is gods right to rule.. given that the wts declares that gods kingdom rule began in 1914, one would suspect that this would feature.
instead, there is a vague reference to something that supposedly happened about 1914.. here's the picture:.
http://www.jwstudies.com/2013_nwt__pages_1766__1767.jpg.
Pages 1766-1767 of the 2013 NWT states that the “Message of the Bible” is God’s Right to Rule.
Given that the WTS declares that God’s Kingdom Rule began in 1914, one would suspect that this would feature. Instead, there is a vague reference to something that supposedly happened “about 1914”.
Here's the picture:
http://www.jwstudies.com/2013_NWT__pages_1766__1767.jpg
Doug
DS211,
Before citing the John gospel, research its background, such as the alliances of the writers. Then research its contrasts with the synoptic writers (remembering that the authors of all gospels were/are anonymous - the names were added later in order for them to be acceptable). Read also the other gospels that did not make it into the Canon that was decided on some 400 to 600 years later.
This is where the real insight exists.
Doug
DS211,
I first saw this in "Scholastic Dishonesty of the Watchtower", Michael Buskirk (CARIS).
I suspect a scan is available; if not, I will have to look for my copy.
Doug
